Desert Oasis

[Rod]

This is a project that I'm working on. I've still to add some cars. I am looking for a new line to use. Anyone very happy with the cars that they use? I'd very much like some C&C on the image. Can't do much about adding much more vegitation as this is for rezoning application and my partners don't want to show to much for fear that what they would show would be required. Image will change over time as we meet govt agencies.. Thanks in advance for your eyes..........

[TheAllusionist]

Looks good, rendering wise I wonder if decreasing the bump on the water would look better, when waves start to get bigger I think they start to get a bit sharper these feel like they are starting to cross that line to me. The structure bothers me a bit in that it doesn't seem like there is enough room above the windows to top of roof to allow for enough roof structure and any roof membrane termination system around perimeter. Just my architectural background raising it's head.

My comments are only to help because you asked, the rendering looks good, I am just being Knit Picky in an effort to provide comment.

[Rod]

Thanks for the tips Russell. The roof aspect is just the type of thing I was hoping for. Would you mind offering a "typical" dimension of space over the top windows that would perhaps support a web truss system? Or, is there some type of roofing system more appropriate? I am not an architect, just happen to be playing one in this case.... if successful this will go to a pro for full design and I'd really like to have my ducks in a row when I make that first visit

[TheAllusionist]

Well first off I will be using the imperial system in my discussion. Other items like structural system are really what determines this, if it was post tensioned slab system you could have 9" slabs for everything, but it is expensive and future floor penetrations require xraying the structure to make sure you don't core drill through the tensioning steel cables......

Economic solution would be metal open web joist with metal decking and and concrete topping, and an office building may have a raised platform floor to run power and data cables under.......

So lets say your ceiling heights is 9'-0" from finish floor to suspended ceiling. Lets then say we maintain 1'-6" from ceiling to underside of 30" open web joist form lights and required infra structure and most duct work can be routed through the joist. then we have set aside 6" for the metal deck and concrete system. This gives us 13'-6" from floor to floor.

For the roof structure I would subtract 6" because your open web joist don't have to carry as much of a load, but ceiling to roofing is still 4'-0" total. Now this doesn't take into account roof slopes for drainage or perimeter termination of roofing system whether it is a gravel stop system or parapet wall. This also is controlled by roof manufacturers detailing requirements for warranties. So lets say your roof slopes a total of 9" and hits a 3" sloped cant strip around perimeter of parapet wall and then a vertical section of parapet wall up to parapet cap. A roofing manufacture may require their roofing to extend 9" up parapet wall before terminating for their warranty. In your case you are going to want some form of curb/gravel stop to maintain the styling you have, butt either you are going for an expensive post tensioned slab system with with a minimum of 3'-0" total for ceiling to roof top or more likely a much deeper system. This is assuming concealed mechanical system, you could go shallower with a surface mounted exposed system, but not likely with office space.

the smaller bump out could have some sort of shallow roof, but the big main roof system needs some sort of depth to house infrastructure. the design might end up having a lower ceiling in the middle with interior perimeter light wells going up high like you show it, but you are getting complicated there. The simple way to achieve this look is to have the top portion of the window made of spandral/opaque glass so that you don't see the infra structure, you will still have the depth to deal with, but you get windows going up high and maintain the look you seem to be after. Anyway these are the type of things you actually have to think about unfortunately! LOL

[Rod]

Thanks Russell for your sage advice. Here is the modified image. Again, add to your C&C's if you care to.

[TheAllusionist]

Damn lost my whole post so I will abbreviate my response:

Water and darker grass work much better to me. Main portion of building looks anotomically correct to me, the parapet walls also screen roof top units which may be a valid argument in variance request.

I do not like the bump out roof over the building bump out, it was probably confusing what I said before. I would have that building bump out roof like it was before but maybe 2'-0" taller than it was, that way you keep the clean lines but allow for some structure and infra structure, the spans for it are small so structure will be small.

I didn't mention this before, I didn't want to be too negative I think your bump/displacement map is a little over scaled and/or strong. Kind of makes the scale feel off and the building a bit like a model instead of a full sized building IMHO.

To reiterate, I like it better and would only bring back the old bump out and raise it two feet. the other mods look great.

P.S. You did not have to name the building after me.

Best regards,

Russell L Thomas

[Rod]

But, the RLT LLC building name is such a good name
I do have a bit of news for you, the road in front will be named Russell Rd.
I think I can stick a fork in this one for now................

[TheAllusionist]

Originally Posted by Rod

But, the RLT LLC building name is such a good name
I do have a bit of news for you, the road in front will be named Russell Rd.
I think I can stick a fork in this one for now................

What, they didn't name the town after me?


I am impressed! LOL The real question as always is if you feel good about it and of course my comments are only that, comments, you don't have to do whay I say. Nix that last statement, if I were you I would send me a million dollars!, Yah! that's the ticket!

Looks good to me, then again it better! LOL Actually it looked good in the beginning, I just didn't see how you would actually build it that way. Good work and you are fast to.

[Rod]

Hmmmm, Russelltown, there is a certain flow to the name, but then the partners nixed the idea of Rodville, so, I guess we both loose out

I respect your eyes a great deal. I don't think that I've dissagreed with any of your comments on any of the work that you've commented on, mine and others. Yours is a generous nature! Can't give you a million, but I can give you a few Attaboys!

[TheAllusionist]

Originally Posted by Rod

I respect your eyes a great deal. I don't think that I've dissagreed with any of your comments on any of the work that you've commented on, mine and others. ...............

Be careful, I already suffer from a mild case of "I am always Right"! LOL